{"id":7075,"date":"2011-04-30T12:47:26","date_gmt":"2011-04-30T16:47:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rbach.net\/blog\/?p=7075"},"modified":"2022-12-30T16:06:25","modified_gmt":"2022-12-30T21:06:25","slug":"ipv4-address-grey-market-emerges","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rbach.net\/index.php\/ipv4-address-grey-market-emerges\/","title":{"rendered":"IPv4 Address Grey Market Emerges"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20210509174928\/https:\/\/foxnetlab.com\/index.php\/9-articles\/132-ipv6-in-cisco-or-the-future-is-about-to-come\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-103343 size-full\" title=\"IPv4 Address Grey Market Emerges\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/ipv6_logo-1.jpg?resize=117%2C69&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"IPv4 Address Grey Market Emerges\" width=\"117\" height=\"69\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/ipv6_logo-1.jpg?w=117&amp;ssl=1 117w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/ipv6_logo-1.jpg?resize=75%2C44&amp;ssl=1 75w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 117px) 100vw, 117px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The UK&#8217;s <em><a title=\"The Register\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theregister.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Register<\/a><\/em> <a title=\"Register\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theregister.co.uk\/2011\/04\/21\/trade_ipv4_com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">reports<\/a> that depletion of the world&#8217;s IPv4 address space is spawning a new development in the <a title=\"IP address\" href=\"https:\/\/secure.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/wiki\/IP_address\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"wikipedia noopener noreferrer\">Internet address<\/a> space, IPv4 address trading. According to the <em>Register<\/em>, German <a title=\"Python\" href=\"http:\/\/www.python.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Python<\/a> developer Martin von Loewis launched a site called Tradipv4.com in March. The site is offering <a title=\"IPv4\" href=\"https:\/\/secure.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/wiki\/IPv4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"wikipedia noopener noreferrer\">IPv4 addresses<\/a> for $3 for v4 addresses in <a title=\"American Registry for Internet Numbers\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/American_Registry_for_Internet_Numbers\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"wikipedia noopener noreferrer\">American Registry for Internet Numbers<\/a> (<a title=\"ARIN\" href=\"http:\/\/arin.net\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ARIN<\/a>)\u00a0 and $4 for those in the <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"https:\/\/secure.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/wiki\/Asia-Pacific_Network_Information_Centre\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Asia Pacific Network Information Center<\/a> (<a title=\"Asia-Pacific Network Information Center\" href=\"http:\/\/www.apnic.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"homepage noopener noreferrer\">APNIC<\/a>) region.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20150511173756\/http:\/\/www.downloadblog.it\/post\/14147\/tradeipv4com-la-compravendita-di-indirizzi-ipv4-entra-nel-vivo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-103346 size-medium\" title=\"TradeIPv4\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/tradeipv4_logo.jpg?resize=150%2C58&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"TradeIPv4\" width=\"150\" height=\"58\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/tradeipv4_logo.jpg?resize=150%2C58&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/tradeipv4_logo.jpg?resize=75%2C29&amp;ssl=1 75w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/tradeipv4_logo.jpg?w=250&amp;ssl=1 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>IPv4 address trading, however, is still a <a title=\"Wikipdia\" href=\"https:\/\/secure.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/wiki\/Grey_market\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">grey market<\/a> idea now. <em><a title=\"Firece Telecom\" href=\"https:\/\/www.fiercetelecom.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">FireceTelecom<\/a> <\/em><a title=\"Fierce Telecom\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20110911145454\/http:\/\/www.fiercetelecom.com\/story\/ipv4-address-trading-sites-begin-emerge\/2011-04-21\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">reports<\/a> that to make sure that unmanaged address transfers don&#8217;t compromise network operations or security, the <a title=\"Internet Society\" href=\"https:\/\/www.isoc.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"homepage noopener noreferrer\">Internet Society<\/a> (ISOC) said that buyers and sellers should make sure any &#8220;transfers be affected per appropriate <a title=\"Regional Internet registry\" href=\"https:\/\/secure.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/wiki\/Regional_Internet_registry\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"wikipedia noopener noreferrer\">Regional Internet Registry<\/a> (RIR) processes.&#8221; Citing its own estimate of prices reaching $11 per address, ISOC <a title=\"ISOC\" href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20111023061616\/http:\/\/isoc.org:80\/wp\/newsletter\/?p=3585\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">said<\/a>, \u201cWe strongly urge that such transfers be affected per appropriate RIR processes.\u201d Unmanaged address transfers will undermine network operations, and it could raise security issues since anonymous address spaces can be spoofed according to ISOC.<\/p>\n<p>On their FAQ page, Tradeip4.com says its auctions can cover both the sale and lease of addresses, subject to RIR policies. Some of these policies, the site notes, have grey areas. For example, APNIC policy aims to discourage address transfer by applying what amounts to a 12-month embargo on the originating party receiving new addresses. However, Tradeip4.com dismisses this as irrelevant, since APNIC&#8217;s space is exhausted and no new blocks are being assigned according to <em>FierceTelecom<\/em>. Despite these concerns, Tradeip4.com, maintains that it can sell and lease IPv4 addresses and maintains that it follows RIR policies.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.isoc.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-103348 size-medium\" title=\"Internet Society\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/isoc_logo.gif?resize=150%2C60&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Internet Society\" width=\"150\" height=\"60\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/isoc_logo.gif?resize=150%2C60&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/rbach.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/isoc_logo.gif?resize=75%2C30&amp;ssl=1 75w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>This is not just an SMB issue <a href=\"http:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Microsoft<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.tradingview.com\/symbols\/NASDAQ-MSFT\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">MSFT<\/a>), recently bought Nortel&#8217;s IPv4 addresses (<em>Which I wrote about <a title=\"rbach.net\" href=\"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2wgaW-1Fy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a><\/em>). <a title=\"Craig Labovitz\" href=\"http:\/\/www.arbornetworks.com\/dr-craig-labovitz.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Craig Labovitz<\/a>, Chief Scientist for network security vendor <a title=\"Arbor Networks\" href=\"http:\/\/www.arbornetworks.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Arbor Networks<\/a>, told <em>FierceTelecom<\/em> that Nortel&#8217;s deal with Microsoft reflects how IPv4 depletion is becoming a more pressing issue, now that IPv4 is a scarce resource.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>IPv4 addresses have not been a scarce resource and no one has had to pay more, but what really is starting to change is Microsoft spending money to buy Nortel&#8217;s IPv4 address space.\u00a0 For the first time, there&#8217;s now a price associated with V4, and one you have a price you start having providers charge for it and start seeing people having a reason to care.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><em>The Register<\/em> article notes that the Canadian government, via its <a title=\"Industry Canada\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ic.gc.ca\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"homepage noopener noreferrer\">Industry Canada<\/a> department, is also against the trade of IPv4 addresses, and it has weighed in on <a title=\"Domainincite\" href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20120321011325\/http:\/\/domainincite.com\/microsoft-spends-7-5-million-on-ip-addresses\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the sale of Nortel\u2019s addresses to Microsoft<\/a>. In a letter <a href=\"http:\/\/www.circleid.com\/posts\/20110419_ipv4_addresses_not_property_canada_weighs_in_on_nortel_microsoft\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">discussed<\/a> on <a title=\"CircleID\" href=\"http:\/\/www.circleid.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>CircleID<\/em><\/a>, Industry Canada expressed its support for the long-standing position that addresses are not property and therefore cannot be traded.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>rb-<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>I see several problems with the\u00a0 IPv4 grey market. Trading in IPv4 is just another sign of resistance to IPv6. Firms with a global view have to realize that the reallocation of a handful of IPv4 will not make a difference in an IPv6 world. Another issue could be the routability of an IPv4 address originally assigned to APIC and traded on the grey market to RIPE. Right now there is no guarantee that these types of addresses will be recognized. There are also political issues, the Canadian government opposes the IP grey market. Industry Canada has expressed its support for the long-standing position that addresses are not property and therefore cannot be traded.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The ISOC says IPv4 addresses are worth $11.00, MSFT paid $11.25 and ARIN addresses are now (04-30-11) trading $7.00 per IP. on tradeipv4.com so MSFT appears to have overpaid for the Nortel address range. The bigger issue is the change in the nature of an IP address.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>What do you think?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Are grey market IPv4 addresses worth it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Has your firm started its transition to IPv6?<\/strong><\/p>\n<h6>Related articles<\/h6>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.circleid.com\/posts\/20110427_court_approves_nortels_sale_of_ipv4_addresses_to_microsoft\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Court Approves Nortel&#8217;s Sale of IPv4 Addresses to Microsoft<\/a> (circleid.com)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20201123204129\/https:\/\/www.pcworld.com\/article\/226189\/need_ipv4_addresses_get_em_here.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Need IPv4 Addresses? Get &#8217;em Here<\/a> (pcworld.com)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em><a title=\"Ralph Bach\" href=\"https:\/\/rbach.net\/index.php\/new-resume\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ralph Bach<\/a>\u00a0has been in IT long enough to know better and has blogged from his\u00a0<a title=\"Bach Seat\" href=\"https:\/\/rbach.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bach Seat<\/a> about IT, careers, and anything else that catches his attention since 2005. You can follow him on <a class=\"broken_link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/rb48334\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">LinkedIn<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ralph.bach.14\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Facebook<\/a>,\u00a0and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/rbach48334\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Twitter<\/a>. 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